Ah well was all a bit of excitement for a few days, my grandson bought (or thinks he has bought) a couple of the Makita screw guns and was thinking of getting one of the golf things. I haven't heard if my daughter bought a couple of the sanders Regards paypal having to make payouts, a couple of years ago I got scammed with a TV booster/antena thing. Last time I checked I think Paypal had 32 pages of complaints from people all around the world and if you complained by ringing Paypal direct you would end up getting your money back, if you tried using the resolution center you just got spun around in circles and I would imagine thousands of people would just give up. My message to anybody who came on the forum was to ring Paypal and don't waste your time trying any other way. I guess Paypal hate me for that.