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Thanks AVB, that is clear. Can you clean successfully with the emulsifier tube still in the carburetor?

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Grumpy, Had look up the emulsifier tube description here as we call it a nozzle but yes most times the plastic version are just left in place when cleaning. I still remove them later if I think replacement of the o-rings is needed.

On carburetors with the removable brass nozzles I usually leave them in place too except I do remove them later just for inspection but that is just the way I learned how clean carburetors over the years. This is just the same way I adjust OHV valves which is different than what is in the service manual.

For those that don't normally work on carburetors these removable brass nozzles are usually damage by previous techs using the improper tools to attempt to removal of these. Regular flat blade screwdrivers don't work on these. The flat screwdrivers must have straight sides just a little narrower than threaded part, be hollowed ground, and be of the correct thickness.

As for cleaning carburetors in my cleaner I have even left stuck on gaskets made of gasket materials with little ill effects. I do however recommend using normal carburetor breakdowns as it is just common sense to do so as it both makes cleaning faster as it eliminate air pockets and the replaceable parts should be inspected anyway. Normally you simply leave the welch plugs in place too. In my opinion why remove them when you don't need to.

The main thing using an ultrasonic is to not over load the cleaning tank with parts or let your cleaning get too dirty before changing. On the dirty solution I use this rule. If you can't see parts near bottom of the tank the solution need changing. It sorta like washing your socks in muddy water. It removes some the dirt but it can also it behind. laugh

With the introduction the Chinese carburetors and the lack of replacement parts you simply can't risk damaging parts that are still in good condition; unless you willing to buy a new carburetor.

Hopefully I am not too long on this as I do sometimes tend ramble about things.

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Thanks for the information on ultrasonic, great to hear from some one who uses one all the time.
I will eventually get one or make one.
Still doing my research.
Parts are available, just need a suitable container.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-50W-...efaultDomain_15&hash=item4626aac614.


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Yes, ultrasound would have saved my bacon in this instance. Thanks for the info AVB.

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Thanks for that AVB. It certainly wasn't rambling, it was exactly to the point.

I normally recommend removing the main jet, emulsifier, idle jet if detachable, and idle air bleed (mixture adjustment screw) when cleaning carburetors, and do it that way myself. However there are two issues that arise with the emulsifier in particular. The first is that hard gum formation may make it difficult to it get out without damage. The Keihin, Ruixing and so forth carburetors used on Honda and chonda engines frequently have this problem. The second issue is that a few carburetors, including one that was used by Tecumseh, simply have pressed-in non-detachable emulsifiers, which foul up after a time and are quite difficult to deal with. It would be nice to find a simple, non-polluting, non-damaging way to deal with those problems.

Incidentally there are Chinese-sourced overhaul kits available for the Honda-type carburetors. Here is an example of one:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Fits-law...DefaultDomain_15&hash=item43da7dc960

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Nice link Grumpy. I had a further look and there were whole GX140 carburettors for pressure washers for about $20. Not sure if the attachments for the control arms are the same though.
Honda GX140 carb
and also here is a 120 watt ultrasonic cleaner all stainless steel and 1.3L container for $80. You can select larger container sizes but the price goes up. Ultrasonic cleaner

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Gosh! There's a replacement GX120 carb here for $12. Honda GX120 Carb

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That seems a good price for the carburetor sparker, but remember it is GX120, not GXV120. The GX120 and GX140 are horizontal crankshaft engines, so the linkages are different, and in the case of the GX120, which has a built-in fuel tap, there is a sediment bowl, which the GXV120 doesn't have. Essentially, buying one of those would mean you had to do a cobbling job with unknown outcome.

I'm pretty sure the 1.3 litre ultrasonic cleaner with heating is only 50 Watts. Look way down at the bottom of the page.

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Yes. Lucky you're on to it Grumpy. 50 watts it is.

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