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Hi all I just realized after chatting about my purple VC-Sports I never even showed you guys.Here is some pictures of my purple VC-Sport.It is in the dirty found condition,either one day after work or on the weekend I'll give it a clean and show you all then how much better it should look.





As you can see unfortunately it has a red catcher,hopefully I or somebody out there will find one.I do have it wanted the section but no good so far.
Tell me what you all think about her.

Will look even better with a good resprayed base nice find.

Looks awesome..that top cowling is in great condition too!!!

I know VictorVicta that's why it's not in the shed cause I don't want to damage it.Let's face it there not that easy to find other one's.Yes it will Joe especially since I got that fixable base from you.Now I just need to find another one for the new VC-sports.

I have one for your other vc sports, even the right colour for that one

Well that would do.What is the condition of it?Take a picture and stick it up here.

Apart fro mthe rubbing on the side its pretty darn good.

Well it may be the one.Let's face it there not crawling on the road when I'm driving.So there not the easiest to find.[Censored] I'm tiered that didn't make any sense to me.

I have one on the trailer that might be OK. Someones done half the work, the motor is gone already.


Went to pick up mowers today, found a hard rubbish area on the way home. Knackered now, been out most of the night searching.

Do you have a picture of that base?

Nah didnt take a pic, its actually a series 80 mustang base. Different green and cast for the SP setup.

Ive got 3 or 4 green mustangs here.

OK I'm off now to clean and see if this fine purple machine can look clean and go.I'll let you know how she goes.

I have to fire my monaros up yet, hopefully they run. Good luck getting it running, doesnt look like it would need a lot. I dont remember seeeing that one when I was at your place

Hi Joe yeah you would not have seen it I had in the spare bedroom.Pulled it out not long after you left as well as the VC-Mustang lightweights compact and even Goliath (Twin).Well it's all bad news here with the Purple VC-Sports,engine was almost seized Lost of rust inside and crank has that horrible bubbly rust on it.I can't even get the piston out of the cylinder.It is repairable but only if I can get the piston out without doing damage.I'm just glad I looked inside before trying to start it.It would have done a fair bit of damage with all those little bits of flaky rust running around the cylinder.So now something that I thought was going to be easy has now become an even bigger job.[Censored]!!SNAP!!!
I will post some pictures a little later after I get the piston out.Fingers crossed no damage.

Bugger, not like it would be hard to find another engine at Tiny's and just use your crankcase though

Snap!!! the news only gets worse here.Have now pulled engine apart.The rust I don't think is too bad and the cylinder definitely needs to be honed out.As bottom part of cylinder has a fair bit of rust.I guess that why the piston didn't want to come out.I'd say it's been sitting in the rain for a while,as I did find water in the crankcase and a little in cylinder and on the head.The worse part is the rings are just about worn through so I can tell you all it is now a full rebuild of the engine.Even the large bearing on the top of the crank is a bit iffy.Here are some pictures I took earlier.





As you can see she's not in great shape.Hey but must keep my head up high.I only need rings for it and a fair bit of time.She will live again.It will just be like a brand new engine again.Still it's the time that is the problem,I didn't need to add another mower to the restoring table right now.I have to many on there now.So for now I will get get the engine to a point where the rust won't kill it until I finnish some other restores.As there was water in it.I couldn't leave it the way it was.I just wanted to try and get it going.SNAP!!!

You could just put the motor off something else on it and consider it done.


Put the original motor away in a box and put the mower last on the list for a resto. Hopefully by then you will have turned up a catcher.


Bob.

Actually, that might be the way to go, if you cant get this one up and running with that engine, pop off thje bottom 1/2 of it's crank case (for the serial) and fit that to the engine on the VC-160 MKII you have down at the coast.

The MKII & MKIII Series 70 Engines had very few differences, mostly just the float bowl on the carby, so make sure you use the carby that is currently on the Sports, and the rest of the engine can come from the VC-160 MKII.

I guess it all depends on the bore size if it is over the right size then it could be the end.Then I will use another engine.It looks like I have to buy a microtome as I can't find my one.I have a feeling I have lost it in one of the moves.I don't mind fixing it,but if the bore is oversize and needs re-boring I won't do it.I don't want to have any of my mowers oversized.I want them as standard as possible.

Same here, I always prefer to find a correct engine or cylinder if possible.

If you have any troble let me know, I might be able to help find a new piston and cylinder, if the one on the VC is dud too!

Cool thanks as I said before I will now have to buy a microtome (Hope that's spelt right) and measure the bore.If it's with the required size then a rebuild will occur,and then I'll be happy again.

Its a micrometer


Im tipping i will definately have something useable here as far as engine goes.

Blumbly, to measure bore diameter you would need an inside micrometer, not a common micrometer (the latter is a zero to one inch instrument that measures outside diameters only. The ones that measure more than one inch outside diameter are less common, and far more expensive.) An inside micrometer comes as a set of ultra-precision bits in a natty velvet-lined box, requires considerable skill to use, is very delicate to use and maintain, and costs plenty. I doubt that you want to buy one.

To measure bore diameters affordably involves a digital caliper, which copes with both inside and outside measurements from a fraction of an inch to about 6 inches. There is a bit of a hassle when measuring cylinder bore diameters with this kind of caliper because of the unworn "ridge" at the top of the cylinder. Some ingenuity is required to deal with this: you need to measure the diameter about one centimeter down from the top of the bore, at right angles to the crankshaft, because this will be the most-worn spot.

And for anyone who cares, a microtome is an instrument used for cutting very thin slices of tissue to examine under a microscope. Generally, not useful to motor mechanics unless they have a body to dispose of and a very small garbage bin.

I will keep this in mind! :P

Probably will get shot down for saying this but the old victa bores are pretty durable, even if it is marginal on rebore wear with new rings it will still run nicely if its just going to be a display mower

You won't be shot down by me at least, Joe. My experience is that for light duty use, you can get a fair amount of service from a worn bore. (I'm not so keen about a gouged or scored one, though.) Both with cars and mowers, I've found that you can use them gently for years with new rings in a rather tapered bore, provided you don't run them hard, and you don't mind a modest amount of oil consumption and blow-by. On the other hand if you want to use them for hard yakka, it isn't really worth while. They won't last long in severe service, and it just isn't worth the labour to dismantle and reassemble them for the short time they'll last. Other people's experience may differ - I think it probably depends mostly on just how hard and how often you can use a machine and still call it "light duty".

I can remember a guy selling a front loader-backhoe to a builder. He regarded the fairly tired old Massey 40 Industrial as in good working condition. As it turned out the builder put the machine to work like it was a new one. Took it straight to his site, and ran it really hard for 8 hours plus without a break. By then it had used all the oil its 3 cylinder Perkins could hold, and ruined its crankshaft bearings. A nasty dispute arose between the dealer and the builder. There were plenty of signs it was running out of oil of course, but the builder wasn't interested in or sensitive to such things.

I agree, from what you have said here and elswhere, seems to me it will not be destined for enough work to really have a problem with a worn bore, Judging by the size of your collection, and the fact that you have a fairly small lawn, and a non-collection mower or three aside to cut it, I imagine this thing will mainly be started to show that it does run, and just to keep it alive, rather than kept in any form of regular service.

Or have you decided this will be your new daily?

Still going to make sure it isn't say over 8 thou oversize.As let's face it once it gets to that it will start to blow smoke.Whether it's for display or not.It would look silly having it as a display after being restored and looking new.To pull the cord and get covered in smoke.I fairly sure it's not that bad,in fact I think a hone out and new rings will properly do the job,but there's no harm checking.Thanks for the correct name.I didn't think I had it right.I did have one.Was given to me by an engine re-builder who was retiring.I think it disappeared the same time the mowers were taken.Some friend he turned out to be.

Alternately you can get an ungraduated set of internal measuring sticks that you remove and measure with vernier calipers/external micrometer.

Actually called a telescoping bore guage.
Heres one
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/6PCE-5-1...ar_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f0e131e95


Its what i bought. Not overly accurate but you can get an idea from it.
As was mentioned above, fresh rings in a worn bore will give service. I got the above measuring sticks and they were useful for a rough check of diamter, run out and tapering on the bore in my bike motor. Ring a ding ding. Yeah it was a little bit worn and ridden hard and put away wet.

It smoked, its mant too its a two stroke.



I think with all those mowers your going to have there Jeffery you will need to host a monthy mower start up day. Imagine that, a backyard with 20 plus Victas ring dinging away. Music to my ears. Beer is your shout.


Heres a cheap version of the real deal if your feeling rich.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CYLINDER...ar_Parts_Accessories&hash=item45fd169b4e

And a set in the US that are not cheaper but look to be a bit better quality
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/dial-bor...ck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item45fd0e1e28

Sometimes you can get good stuff like this for a good price slightly used from an army surplus disposals store.

Thanks Bob I think I just might get one of those lads.