OutdoorKing Repair Forum Forums Repairs and Maintenance Questions on Engines Questions on Other Engines What Eng Barrel is this? [Atco-Villiers]

Hi,
Who can ID which engine this head is off ??

looks like a villiers midget mk 1
google that and see what you come up with?

Hi Ken,

It is an Atco Villiers. These engines were used on the post war Atco mowers and were also used on the Austral Villiers cylinder mower.

Cheers,

Sir Chook

Hi, That's what I thought, just brought it from bloke in England to replace head on Atco Villiers Midget
that has a broken fin
Cheers Ken

Hi Ken,

No worries. Just make sure that the inlet diameter is the correct one for your carburettor as from memory there are two different sizes.

Cheers,

Sir Chook

Oh

ok I will check that out when it arrives

Thanks for all the info

Cheers ken

This looks like its from the 79cc Villiers Midget and from the aussie made version on the AV Everyman mowers. There is posts on this forum covering the two models of the Midget

this place sells parts for them.
http://www.villiersparts.co.uk/help.html

Hi Gizmo

Again, much confusion about this.
The Villiers Midget was a 98cc engine.

This engine is the smaller Atco-Villiers, developed because of some 'special relationship'
between Villiers - who started engine production and the 1910s, and Atco, who started
making lawnmowers in the 1920s.

This association resulted - post WWII - in an Atco-Villiers engine.

These engines did make their way to power Australian Austral-Villiers.
It is unknown what enable this. The evidence - from the Powerhouse Museum - is
that there was some commercial arrangement between Atco and AV. Who knows?

But, they should not be referred to as Villiers Midgets.
To my knowledge, the Midgets were all 98cc - in Mk1 to Mk 4 guises.

It may be that 'midget' has come to refer to any generic small Villiers' engine.
This makes it more important to distinguish them...
- Villiers Midget;
- Atco-Villiers Midget.

Similar designs - different cc capacities.

Any clarification welcome.
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Jack

yep i think you are correct about that Cyberjack, but if Ken W is after parts for it then doesn,t really matter to him what other people are calling it as long as he can source his bits needed.
i have one of those 79cc versions also (one of my all time favorite little engines)
And exactly what model it was has always confused me as i also own a mk2 and 3.
now that ive seen your pic of the proper mk1 villiers (not atco) it makes more sense.
i think maybe atco 79cc should've been named differently?

So when you see them displayed all together like that on that site it is confusing.
I was only trying to help Ken W source his bits n bobs.
i did buy some parts from them years ago.

Hi Gizmo,

Yes it is a bit confusing LOL

I looked on the English Villiers site www.villiersparts.co.uk that you mentioned and clicked on HELP and you

get all the pictures of the engine models

and they have a picture of the engine that we are talking about and it is called a Villiers Midget Mk1 79cc 2 stroke

and then the 98cc is called the mk2 and mk3 barrel numbers B6698

Check this pic http://www.villiersparts.co.uk/3838.jpg

OMG now I'm starting to confuse myself LOL

Cheers Ken

Hi CyberJack,

Can you post the picture of the '' Villiers Midget Mk1 ''

not the Atco version 78cc

I can only fine reference to Midget Mk2 and Mk3 98cc


Cheers Ken

Hello Ken and Gizmo and exfarmer.

I have already done that in response to another question you asked.
https://www.outdoorking-forum.com.au/forum/u...-atco-villiers-engine-mk1.html#Post87684

However, Here is a Midget Mk1 and its use on a Ransomes Minor ... also Mk 1... from 1939.

To see a Mk4 Midget see this:
https://www.outdoorking-forum.com.au/forum/u...nsomes-minor-mark-7-c1956.html#Post61630

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Jack

Thanks Jack for the picture
cheers Ken