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Yes Norm ...

But be careful.
If travelling by car you need to be careful.
Vehicles are weapons on the road.

Also, keys have sharp edges. So be careful how you handle them.
Make sure you close the 'door' of the vehicle'. Some folk have
forgotten this to their peril.

At the supermarket, wear sensible shoes with grip. Those 'wet floor'
signs aren't there for nothing. Avoid wearing your workshop stilettos.

Also remember that milk and strawberries are not included - as the
packet clearly says. These may be found in Fresh Produce (strawberries),
and Dairy (milk).

Good luck and enjoy your cornflakes.
But follow the directions ...

Good luck.
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Jack

I'd say that box is destined to be trialled in the Tasmanian market as they still fly Handley Page's in and out of Hobart, how do I know I hear you ask ?, Jack has sent me photos of them taking off from Hobart's International Airport.

Cheers,
BB.

Hi BB;

Just a quick note to clarify this. OTR is actually 100% SA owned and operated. Peregrine Corporation and Shahin Enterprises incorporates multiple businesses including many more food outlets, horticulture and transport and like many other medium-large businesses realestate is a large portion.

At Mobil's collapse OTR bought 70% of Mobil sites while 7/11 bought the rest. OTR has bought s number of independent sites over the years and has taken on a few BP "wild bean" sites aswell. It is important to note however that the ACCC is always involved in acquisitions like this and while I cannot state with all certainty I believe it would be illegal for any one company to own 60% of the fuel market (OTR is no-where near this figure).

Very few people know this but the Shahin family actually pump a LOT of money into domestic and international charities every year.

In 2010 this group actually donated to me an entire days use of the carwash and allowed me to sell drinks and food from the carpark of one of their sites to raise money for the restoration and donation of a 1996 Ssanyong Musso to a family who lost everything in the floods in Toowoomba.

The business and therefore money this company brings into the SA economy is 100% needed and part of bringing Australia back to what we all want it to be. More understanding about how this company operates would make all South Australian's proud.

Pete.

Well, Mr smarty Mainlander

We have trialed these new cereal boxes and we have rejected them!
Clearly, the instructions lack detail! Take notice KELLOGG'S!

What is a 'BOX'; and what is that fancy word, 'TRANSLUCENT'?

For me, the cereal is okay, with flavours of cardboard, plastic
and corn. I'm not a big fan of breakfast anyway ...

When we get our new double-delta-wing Mirages - with the jet thingy -
we will be the toast of Australia.

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Jack

p.s. How's industry going in Adelaide?
I hear a sugar water maker will leave soon ...

Hi Jack,

You crack me up with your wit !

Yes Coca Cola is leaving and thus taking more obesity problems to Queensland and Western Australia. We are rapidly becoming the trend setters of Australia. All we need to do now is work out how to make electricity and then we'll be right !

Cheers,
BB.

Originally Posted by ihatewetsocks,

At Mobil's collapse OTR bought 70% of Mobil sites while 7/11 bought the rest. OTR has bought s number of independent sites over the years and has taken on a few BP "wild bean" sites aswell. It is important to note however that the ACCC is always involved in acquisitions like this and while I cannot state with all certainty I believe it would be illegal for any one company to own 60% of the fuel market (OTR is no-where near this figure).

Very few people know this but the Shahin family actually pump a LOT of money into domestic and international charities every year.





Hi IHWS,

I think you'll find that the Peregrine Group have acquired all the Mobil sites in SA as 7/11 do not exist in SA.
Check out the following link,

http://www.7eleven.com.au/stores

As far as BP are concerned all sites are pretty well in OTR control or about to be in their portfolio and as mentioned independents are slowly getting weeded out. I wouldn't trust a word that comes from the ACCC nor the EPA as both are toothless tigers that bend over backwards to big business.

As far as sponsorship is concerned please don't paint them as saints as I'm sure they are getting ever cent back around July from you and I, the tax payer. No one gives away money without expecting something in return, especially when it's business.

I've heard so many horror stories from employees and thus I have absolutely no regard for this organisation, SA or not.[i][/i][u][/u]

Hi BB,

Never said "They" were saints. No-one is. I have been involved with this company for over 10 years and can absolutely attest to the loyalty gained from this employer when it is earned. All "big business" have employees that have left under not so great terms. The difference is OTR is and has been a media target for quite some time.

At the end of the day you are entitled to your opinion; I am not trying to sway you or anyone else . I am just giving my account of my experiences.

In 2011 I was in an accident outside of work that rendered me blind in one eye and unable to perform my usual responsibilities. Not only did they help me with my recovery but they gave me a position elsewhere in the company that I could perform and when I was ready (4 months later) I slotted back into my position. in 2013 I broke my elbow and had many screws and plates fitted (again not related to work) and they did the same thing. They waited with me (3 months) until I could perform my responsibilities. I have NEVER asked for a salary increase or benefits however every year my direct supervisor has always ensured I have been looked after.

For every "horror" story I can assure you there are just as many if not more fairy tales.

I do understand your scepticisim however please don't be one of those believe everything you hear people. The team I work with has one member with 14 years tenure, 1 with 12 years, 1 with 10 years, 1 with 9 years, 1 with 7 years and me (10 years). This is out of an 11 member team. We all stick around for a reason.

Anyway; that isn't what this thread is about. I'll stop now.

Pete

Oh, regarding 7/11 they certainly bought some Mobil sites. I believe they traded as Mobil for 18 - 24 months then re-branded but not to 7/11. I don't know a lot about that but I know we only bought 70% of them.

Pete

I think a few small ones went to 'Mogas', but they are slowly getting pinged off. I know Parafield Gardens has been. They even got into the media with a stupid stunt that angered many fuel purchasers.

BTW I'm not trying to get into an argument here, it's just healthy discussion.

Cheers,
BB.

Yes, I think you're right there. That Parafield stunt did nothing but boost our fuel volume in the area. What's interesting is though (I don't know about Parafield's case) a LOT of the time the owners of the sites we buy deliberately keep the sale a secret from their employees until the 11th hour. THAT is disgraceful.

Absolutely I understand you're not arguing (I'm not either. I do apologise if I gave the impression I was). Everyone is entitled to their opinion and discussion is absolutely healthy. I really just wanted to point out that money made by this company stays in Australia. Also the race track in Tailem Bend is going to do wonders for the economy. The powers to be are always on the look out for local produce and do work with local suppliers. I'm sure there are financial reasons for this also BUT it does greatly assist the economy and create jobs where there wouldn't be otherwise.

The biggest players in the fuel market are actually Woolworths and Coles. OTR is only a small fraction. I cannot think off the top of my head what the break up is (Not my area) but I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find out.

The story of OTR is actually really interesting if research is done. I was lucky enough a few years ago to meet the owner of a site Fred (the founder) approached in 1984 to lease his building as his first site. The owner declined as he thought the family were "fly by nighters" and would be bankrupt in 6 months unable to pay the rent! How he regrets that decision now!

I will point out however that I have been extremely lucky to work directly with the supervisor I have for the full 10 years. The help and loyalty she gives is amazing BUT you have to earn it.

Anyway I really will stop talking now. If anyone does want to know any more please feel free to PM me. I will happily discuss privately but I like to keep work at work and hobbies at home.

Pete.

JFYI,

Woolies are getting out of the fuel game altogether and their sites are transferring to BP, and who runs the BP sites in Adelaide now ?
I know there aren't that many of the dedicated Woolworths only sites in Adelaide as most were co-operated with Caltex and that relationship has soured but the sole ones all add up to the grand tally don't they.

Cheers,
BB.

re the Corn Flakes packet.

Jack, it is like when you buy a jar of peanut paste these days and it has in big letters: "Allergy warning: product contains nuts". Then you pick up a bottle of soy milk and it has on it: "Allergy warning: product contains soy". DUH!

G'day vint-mow

Yes, it's ridiculous now. The cat has been let out of the bag.

It is fascinating reading to follow the law of negligence:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donoghue_v_Stevenson

It was the intention of the courts to 'contain' the beast.
Today,the courts have failed us - and manufacturers have
followed suit with labels that wouldn't pass the Pub Test*

[* By 'Pub Test' the owner and moderators of the ODK forums endorse
responsible consumption of alcohol.]

I will make a sensible point here. It is no wonder folks don't
'read the manual' these days. Companies have a workaround - the
'Quick Start Guide'. Hilarious!

I can't guess where it will end ...



Cheers*
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Jack

Without comment or prejudice:

Well now Hazelwood has shut down, reducing Victorias power supply by a mere 25%, If we don't need that extra 25% now then why were we producing it in the first place? Oh I forgot we are all using LED's so we don't need the extra power. Oh sorry that doesn't add up because we have 2000 people a week moving into Meld, I guess they need power? Think I might be investing in a generator. I hope SA doesn't need any extra power. And as for the Snowy Hydro scheme producing clean power, something that doesn't get told is that they pump the water back up into the dams during the night using cheap rate coal fired power from Victoria and sell it back at a premium rate the following day spruking that it is clean Hydro power

G'day Norm,
Another thing that Snowy Hydro don't spruik to the masses is that their backup peak load generation facility, is a 300MW set of open circuit gas turbine units, located adjacent to Loy Yang down here...

Something has been niggling at me about the new Snowy mtns project , just make heaps of energy, create jobs, spend a few million cheap......................
Something doesn't add up.
It's the law of conservation of energy.

In physics, the law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system remains constant�it is said to be conserved over time.[1] Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it transforms from one form to another. from Wiki.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

It's going to take the same amount of energy to pump the water back up into to the dams as you would generate with the water....................
CRAZY.
speedy

Not quite, actually. Due to water turbines [even those designed specifically for purpose] being less than 100% efficient as either pumps or motors, and frictional losses as the water flows through the pipes, it's not possible to retrieve all of the energy input to the storage. The same principle applies to storage batteries, by the way.
Nah, more like desperate, now that the polytickians are looking right down the barrel, at the deficiencies of decisions made by their predecessors...

Originally Posted By: speedy
It's going to take the same amount of energy to pump the water back up into to the dams as you would generate with the water....................

Speedy, we all know there is always a loss factor in trying to achieve perpetual energy, but this is not about saving energy or conserving the environment. The Snowy commission is making a good quid for doing nothing apart from buying cheap coal fired power from Victoria, to pump their water back up to resell it back the next day to the consumer at a much higher rate. There is an old saying "business is business" and that is all it is, nothing to do with saving the planet