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I have bought a Rover mower with a 2 stroke suzuki engine. I think I'll keep it if I can get it going. I have had the mower going briefly so I know it will run. The problem is that the previous owner has had a go at the carburetor linkages and I dont think all the parts are there. In particular the spacers that are shown in this photo are missing. I have jury rigged it with some dodgy spacers but they aren't the right fitting.

Does anybody know if the spacers can be bought? I can't find them in the parts listing online but they might be in a kit.



Here is a shot of the carburetor (mobile phone quality I'm afraid)



I'll clean up the mower when I'm finished....trust me, I will.

good luck my local and surrounding mower guys cant order me parts but i do believe parklander has a clone that looks identical but carby may be different unsure but i am looking for a few governer springs my self wen i know i will post

Thanks, I'll do the same.

There! Told you i'd clean it up. All I need now is a catcher. Still haven't got the spacers.

Nice find!

Those Suzuki's run like tops and Chew up anything in they're path.

Kori

I can't get it to start without priming the cylinder. I think there's something wrong with the carburetor setup somewhere. Once running it goes quite well. I've heard of others having the start up trouble. It might be the governor or the throttle cable. The choke appears to be fully open all the time.

If the choke isnt closing there is an error or adjustment required there, if it is and still nto starting without priming I would look at the crank seals, I have one here that has shot seals with the same diagnosis.

Hi Joe, It was the carburetor adjustment. Without the correct spacers the throttle cable wasn't able to push things properly as the bolt held everything too tightly. I replaced my bodgy spacers with a piece of copper pipe and the result was better. The choke closes now for starting but it's still all very stiff. I think the throttle cable will bend if I leave it like that. I'll have to keep an eye out for the proper spacers, washers etc but I haven't seen many suzukis up here in Mackay. This one was brought here by a new resident to the town.

I did have a spare half motor, unfortunately your about too weeks to late I only kept the starteer off it as apart from the linkages the rest was trashed, I will keep an eye out however.

Story of my life. Thanks anyway Joe.

any luck finding parts i am looking for governersprings and a set of rings maybe after i clean out exaust it smokes to buggery

No luck so far. The only place I have is the local recycle centre and there were no Suzuki's there last time I looked. I have seen the odd one from time to time when I wasn't looking for them. They seem a bit rare though.

Hey have you got the full image of that throttle assembly buddy?

Not normally one to dig-up an old thread but I've nearly done with a complete Resto/Refurb of a SUZUKI 2T Rover deluxe.
This is a GREAT Mower. I'm normally a Victa "Full Crank" and at a push a Powertorque guy but this is a really nice bit of kit.

This was a great unit in it's day with super revs and a 4 Blade plate. I am told it was a favoured unit by councils etc.
I got mine to run with the squirt-can prime but would die immediately. It was in tidy, complete but neglected condition. Carby rebuild was clean and no real issues that several different gauges of wire an xtra small drills and pin vices couldn't fix. Carby fixed then you have to redo all the tensions of the cable to control. Anyone who's done a Honda, Chonda, Briggs will work it out soon enough.
I got it going OK then stripped it down to do a proper Resto/Refurb (slow weekend) I needed to to get the throttle sorted but it ran like a trooper and had a good note as well so an engine pull-down was not needed. Getting the governor-Throttle- choke raltionship is thi tricky bit but once sorted, we move on to see if it's worth anything.
Just a lot of degreaser, scouring pads and petrol.
The unit was covered in dust-oil sediment so I thought to strip the components and do a basic refurbishment. Not just a tune and flip.
It was a unique bit of kit with all the ROVER deluxe bits, a 4 blade carrier, Alloy chassis (in great nic),chrome hubcaps, good catcher.
It's faults were minimal...
One dodgy wheel ( ) the Carby was a mess so a full pulldown with some dilligent application of Cat5 wire and engine winding coils wire I had the Carby to the point where I had "some" throttle control shutdown.
Good start so I then redid the carb settings and clean and flushed so I was confidant I'd have a fair runner and I got it to run almost decently.
One wheel bearing was shot, as was the cather flap sping. I won't lose sleep finding those bits (in fact I stripped them from another Rover "Deluxe" with a suspecected broken piston ring, waiting in queue for it's judgement).
This DeLuxe was too good for the bin.
A bit of tweaking the throttle input mech and she's a pearler.
NOW...
A FULL pull down and clean.
Then some well applied epoxy.
We'll have a super good...

The Rover deluxe Suzuki 2 stroke which will soon be in a place of honour next to my collection of 20-30 other unique mowers. And worthy addition to my personal collection of hundreds of "Things that Spin".

A Unique bit of kit that does it's job VERY well. As good a mower as my Honda but with 2T grunt and my own handbuilt detail.
I'll be proud to park it next to my Mustangs, Super-24's and Tricked out Utilities. I have a balanced and tuned Utility with a Tuned Mikuni that spins to over 7000rpm and you can hold on to it. I'll limit it to a bit less when I put blades on it though.


BTW
Every "collectible" mower I own mows my font lawn at least once a year. (it does get a GOOD clean after) but it gets a run.

Hi brycevr,

Thanks for the post. Been looking at this and other similar threads recently as my Dad has a Rover XL from the early 90's with a Suzuki 2-stroke. My Dad no longer mows, but it's a quality piece of kit as it was subject to at least 10-15yrs of Sydney mowing and shows little external wear apart from the wheels.

My Dad said it was becoming difficult to start- 3 pulls, so based on what you and others say I'll look at the choke adjustment then carby esp. as the fuel was allowed to dry out in it- hopefully carby cleaner will be enough.

Posts like yours pointing out particular problem areas and fixes are very helpful.

Thanks,

Hey guys, does anyone have the full image of the throttle assembly they can post up... trying to fix someones mistake and im just double checking my work. Thanks in advance

Any chance you have the full image of that schematic buddy? Im trying to fix someones mistakes and just need a reference. Thanks in advance

Hello TheFatMan155

This may be of help to you.
There is a manual and parts list for the Suzuki here:-

https://www.outdoorking-forum.com.au/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=5401

Hope this helps.
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Jack

I am a great fan of the Suzuki M120X & a great deal of them were sold here in New Zealand on Rover bodies. I see one of the above post talks about one of these being hard to start. A contractor some years ago told me a trick for cold starting these engines.
Stand the mower on it nose for about 5 seconds (Spark plug facing downwards)I guess some fuel spills out the main jet & primes the engine, usually first pull the engine starts.
I have noticed some of the American Toro's fitted with this engine actually have a carburetor primer bulb fitted, but none do in the part of the world.
Hope this helps someone.

Hi backbone,

Thanks for the (rather literal) 'tip'!

I'll have to try it some day. Because it's a two stroke at least no oil-in-cylinder problems like a 4 stroke.

Anyway my 'difficult to start' 3 pull is a relative thing anyway.

The steel base on my Rover has been slowly corroding away. I have big corrosion cracks heading away from the handle anchor points. I'd love to replace the base as the engine is still strong see below for how strong! Any ideas on sourcing a replacement steel base?

I had my other Honda mower stolen recently along with some other equipment. I'm reviewing what to replace it all with at present. There will be some more posts asking for opinions on that.

I used the Honda for a big yard (3 hours normally with a Honda HRU196D and a single tank of fuel.) The insurance company has been mucking me around so I thought I would give the Rover a go even though the grass was pretty long. It took me 10 pulls to start (seems to be a common problem) although if used more often it is 3 or 4 pulls normally. It took me 5 hours to mow, but the extra time was mostly a 2nd pass to tidy up the cut. The Suzuki was on the governor most of the time so sucked through around 2.2 tanks of fuel, but did not miss a beat. I broke the pull cord and had to replace that half way through. The mower has done a lot of work. My only regret is that they were not making the alloy base version when I bought mine. The thing I liked about mowing with it was the light weight compared to the Honda. I normally feel a bit wasted after 3 hours mowing, but after 5 hours with this old rover, I was actually feeling better than I normally do.

Greg

Good evening grl.
It's getting a tad dark outside now, but I picked up a Rover XL 2-Stroke base a few months ago from the Bulky Goods clean-up, that had a Suzuki 2-stroke mounted on it, ready for a mate to changeover his base, but he hasn't delivered his old mower to me yet. My guess would be that any normal base, of any description, may suit the motor and may just be a case of mounting height for the blades. I'll have a look over the weekend and do a comparison of a Victa V40 Chonda, a Victa 2-stroke and a Briggs 4-stroke to confirm hole alignment, if nobody has gotten back to you in the meantime.

Greg, 3 hours with the Honda, sounds like you need a ride on

Hey NormK,
I have a ride on (had 2 until the better one got stolen as well - 2009 Greenfield fastcut 34/26HP) but I prefer to pickup the cut grass in the house yard. It (an older Greenfield) also needs a bit of TLC before too much use. I'll see how it goes over Easter, but I will be keeping an eye out for a replacement seat. That post by slashburn is very timely. The crack in mine tends to bite you!

Greg

Thanks Bushy260. I guess another brand base would be fine, as long as it picks up the grass well, although that does imply I need to find one with a workable catcher. I did note the toro mower that used this engine mentioned by someone in another thread when referencing the manual for the engine. That was news to me as I did not think many brands used this engine. Another thread showed a photo of three suzi's on utility style mower bases (no catchers.) I'm not sure if they orginally shipped with that engine or just fit.

Thank you for your quick reply Greg.
When, or do you have, a local Bulky Goods collection due? These are good times to pick up frames, motors and catchers? Maybe a trip to your local tip/recycling centre may also prove worthwhile.
Daryl. :-)

Greg, here is a catcher for you, no idea where it is but it is in QLD

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Greenfield-Ride-on-Mower-Catcher-/322048791707?hash=item4afb9a949b:g:1zIAAOSwZ8ZW8dLn

I've got a bunch of Rover bases here, two pressed steel, three alloys. Have friends from Redcliffe coming up for Easter and could maybe get them to take one down to Brisbane for you if you can let me know which style of base you currently have and I'll see if any of mine is a match.

The base is pressed steel. I'm not sure how to describe it. I just dug out the original brochure and it says 18inch steel high arch base. I understand you need all new wheels etc if you change to alloy.

If you can upload a picture I'll see what I have that matches. All three pressed steels are corrosion free. One of the alloys is actually a Suzuki Rover two stroke. The wheels I think are the same as other Rovers as I stole one off it to repair another machine but it has the axles etc still there so wouldn't be hard to fit one of your front wheels I expect.