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hi deejay & grumpy
numbers are 80232 0917 01 80090603
got it up & running fine but throttle to gov plate springs fouls on air cowl , any chance you have link to photo showing correct positioning

thanks in advance darryl

Hi Darryl,
It appears that there has been an engine change at some stage, because the the standard Briggs engines used at the time of manufacture of the solid deck 14" Scotties (1968 to late 1975) was the 2HP 60102 and the 3HP Briggs used on the 17" machines was the 80102.
Your model Briggs is the 80232 and was manufactured in the Rolla Missouri plant in the USA on the 6th September 1980, by which time the 14" Scotties had been discontinued.
I am sure grumpy will help you with the governor set-up.

Please post some pictures of the set-up Darryl, and I'll try to figure out which system it is. If it fouls on the cowl, it sounds as if it has been cobbled somehow.

hi guys
sorted carby set up sorted & running like a dream , can you show me the plastic thrust washer set up you mentioned earlier

thanks darryl

Hi again Darryl,
The plastic thrust washer is the black plastic piece with the oiling hole in it, that you can see in this pic, between the clutch fork and the clutch cone...

hi deejay mine
appears to have a brass setup with a separate thrust washer ?

cheers darryl

All the early ones were brass, nylon plastic is the cheap and effective replacement of brass

thanks tim , if rain ever eases will test mow this weekend, cheers darryl

Hi Darryl,
Thanks for posting that pic, I have noticed something I have not noticed before on the early solid deck Series 1 Scotties and that is an engine clutch thrust washer (Illustration No. 135 and Part No. 331803 in the SB 45 Parts Lists) placed between the brass thrust pad and the clutch cone.

It was obviously deleted when the plastic thrust pad was introduced on the Series 2 machines.

Hi DeeJay,

Just looking at that brochure, a couple of posts up and was rather interested in the width of the machine. The front shot clearly shows it's a 20 inch machine due to the cylinder and how inboard the engine is mounted but the rear shots show that it's a 17 depicted as the engine is basically flush with the RHS side plate.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, also you forgot to mention the ugly duckling of them all, the Kermit Green Rover that came in before the Red Rover, while the Red came in two Mk 's a one and two. The two having the rearward facing clutch lever and plastic cover something the Red Mk I didn't have.

Cheers,
BB

Hi BB, Ooops mate, I think you may have replied to the wrong thread.

Hi DeeJay,

I've realised why you've thought that this post is on the incorrect thread and that is because it actually refers back to the page 1 posting of this thread where there is a SB brochure posted up.
My mistake was that I didn't realise that I posted it on page 2.

DOH !!!!

Cheers,
BB

Sorry to resurrect an old thread but I've been searching for info on the later SB Rover Brisbane made models and manufacture periods and we don't seem to have that much info...or I can't find it

It seems the Rover Brisbane factory took over from late 1983, and at least for a period kept the same colour scheme as evidenced by the 1984 brochure in this thread. As BB mentions they then went to the Kermit Green still with SB name for some time. Then eventually ditched it all and went Rover Model 45 with the red. Any ideas when all this occurred? When was the last 45 manufactured in australia?

Not sure if it helps but I just purchased a Kermit SB with original receipts dated 1992. so start and end dates of the kermit are some time either side of that I guess...

Hello Paradox

That's a decent question there.
Yes, it would appear that the SA Thebarton factory was closed by the
end of the 1982-83 Financial Year, moving all production to Fison Avenue,
Brisbane, the home of Rover Mowers. This article is from SMH 30/11/1983.



That is fantastic information - that you have a 'Kermit 45' with receipt
dated to 1992!

It appears to be an unanswered question when the Kermits were introduced.
We have a 1984 brochure still advertising the older SB hammertome scheme.

My take on this is that the Kermit colour was introduced in about the
mid-1980s. I speculate that the Rover takeover of SB in 1980 enabled
Rover to stockpile sufficient quantities of Adelaide machines for a period
after the SA closure of mid-1983.

The Green colour was introduced and done, I believe, by the powder-coat process.
Rover had introduced this new plant at their Brisbane factory in about 1980.
I speculate that that process cannot produce the hammertone finish...?
... Meaning that Rover stuck with a green colour to differentiate SB from
Rover's own colour scheme (and still use the SB name).

At some point (we now know this was after 1992) Rover changed the scheme
in favour of full-integration with the Rover branding. The machine became a
Rover 45.

I guess the last 45 was manufactured close to the closure of the Brisbane
factory on the 1st of April, 2007. The Rover Parts List I have shows revisions
right up to the end of 2005, suggesting that the last 45s were made close
to the Brisbane closure. The end of two AUS icons was now assured.

The rest is history.
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Jack

Wow, thanks Jack. There is a lot of interesting info there. That article pretty much highlights that the drought was a significant contributor to the closure of the Adelaide SB plant. Rover must have been very happy with the purchase when the drought broke that year.

I have not paid close attention to the coating on the Kermit. It did strike me as painted rather than powdercoated, but I will have a closer look and advise.

I was a young teenager in Brisbane back then and my main source of income was mowing lawns, including my Grandmothers and my Parents Blue Couch lawns with SB45's. Both had extensive automatic watering systems and water was plentiful thanks to a much smaller population (the great victorian migration had only just started ) and a newly completed Wyvenhoe D@m...oh the memories

I am out of the country at the moment but will post the receipt for the record when I get back on the weekend.

So it was John Killer that must be responsible for the killing off of the name Scott Bonnar ??? LOL

Cheers,
BB

Receipt as below.

I've had another look at the Kermit coating and it may well be powder coated...unfortunately I am no expert, but it does look thicker than I would expect a paint to be.

Hello Paradox

Thank you for that important document.
Big Ask: would it be possible to get a close-up of the
manufacturer's plate? I ask that to confirm the model number.

You have added valuable information here.
Now, we need to establish when the change in colour occurred.

Facts:
- 45s still branded as SB in 1984 (brochure).
- 45s as Kermits introduced after that (still branded as SBs)
- 45s as Kermits still available in late 1992 (invoice)
- 45s as Orange Rover45s (SB name dropped) introduced at some time after 1992
- 45s as Rover 45s still available this century, probably ceasing with factory
closure in early 2007.

All very interesting.
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Jack

Hello Mod BB.
Killer was a hired gun.

My general view is that many directors are hired to destroy things.
This is often turned into propaganda ... "executive makes hard decisions".

John Killer, later on, played his role in the Victa saga.


All very Machiavellian.
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Jack

I can't upload the photo of the plate for some reason, so will just post the link:



I also took a shot of the back page of the Operating Instructions: