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Gday Guys,
I picked up something different to work on. Well I will pick it up from the olds joint this weekend as Dad got it for me very cheap. It appears to be an OHV 5.5 HP Briggs Intek engine from what I can tell. Never actually come across one before in the junk yards I frequent.
The engine actually runs spot on apart from a massive oil leak from the OHV cover .This should be pretty easy to rectify with some RTV silicon. I am assuming these engines follow the same principle as sealing up the Honda OHC and OHV covers (different to the chonda�s as they all have gaskets for the valve covers.
I haven�t had a chance to inspect it yet but was hoping someone could confirm. The valve cover is smothered in silicon by the previous owner however I suspect the wrong type has been used.
Lastly I wanted to confirm the correct valve clearances. Sorry I haven�t got the engine codes on me at present just the photos. I will put the codes up this weekend when we go up the coast for some fishing.
With a good clean up and valve adjustment I suspect this will be another good mower for very little cost.
Open to others experience as always as I suspect this mower may have some additional features I need to take into consideration to ensure its longevity.

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Hi Peter,
Just a point on the Honda engines. The OHV does have a gasket on the tappet cover. The OHC doesn't and is sealed up using goop(that's the technical term, lol). I'm almost certain that the intek does have a gasket but the IPL will tell us for certain when you get the numbers.
So, my guess is that the gasket is damaged and they've tried to rectify it with silastic to no avail.

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Boy what a mess of sealant on that cover.

This setup does use a valve gasket but that the mounting plate also has gasket behind it. There is two bolts plus the rocker arm studs that can become loose and cause leaking too.

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Peter, when you post the Model, Type and Code we can access the Illustrated Parts List and Owner Manual, which will provide some diagrams and part numbers. We can also check your model out in the service manual.

AVB thanks for that - there are relatively few small Inteks here, though they are popular with some mowing contractors. Most people buying push-mowers for home use choose either a side valve Briggs or a chonda (unlicensed Chinese copy of an OHV Honda). The chondas seem to be gaining market share rapidly, which is unsurprising since they are usually priced well below a side valve Briggs.

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It just the 110000, 120000, and 150000 OHV series that used this setup.

The other Briggs OHVs uses just valve cover that can have either a gasket or RTV with Briggs recommending using RTV even on the ones that came with a gasket. The above are the exception to the RTV recommendation.

Personally I dealt with those that are RTVed by Briggs and they are a pain to get off without damage to the cover.

As you said the Chinese clones are taking over the market. Even Briggs OHV are now Chinese made engines. I recently ordered a replacement Walbro carburetor for the Briggs OHV Horizontal and got one those of Ruixing carburetor instead.

A lot of the Chinese junk we can't even get parts for when they breakdown; we either install a new engine or just send the equipment to be recycled. It is plain don't make sense to me as tech that I got tell customers their equipment is unrepairable due to the lack of parts especially on something that is only a year or two old.

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That is interesting AVB, and some of it is new to me. I know that Briggs finally transferred the manufacture of the last of the large side valve engines to Chongqing about two years ago, after transferring the small side valve ones there in the early 2000s, but I was under the impression that all OHV and DOV Briggs engines were made in the US, except for the two and three cylinder Vanguards which have always been made by Daihatsu in Japan. I know the single cylinder Vanguards were made by Mitsubishi in Japan for a while, due to problems Briggs had building them, but were returned to the US when Briggs fell into commercial disagreement with Mitsubishi, and I believe they have been US-built ever since. I believe Briggs' strategy is to try to stay in the business of making engines in the US by concentrating the production of high-value engines there, while allocating production of the low-value engines to their Chongqing plant. Of course the purchased components will end up being sourced in China though.

The only Ruixing carburetors I've had much to do with have been exact copies of the Keihin carburetors Honda uses. The copies are so good that the parts are interchangeable with Keihin ones, and I regard them as good carburetors. The chonda engines do often have really awful governor linkages though.

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Guys thanks for the assistance. Sorry for the delay but here are the codes:
124602-0111-01 98090256

I have included a few photos of the Over Head Valve Cover and the gasket. I cleaned the majority of whatever type of stuff the previous tenant installed and now the unit doesnt leak as much but but it still leaks. Can I add the RTV Silicon as well or not?

The gasket does look a little shabby but its not split so it really should do the job and prevent the oil from leaking. Any tips or adjustments to rid the leak? I will get a new gasket if they are available but the old one should be ok.

Are these little Inteks good engines for push mowers as they seem to have plenty of power.
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Thanks Peter. Here is the Illustrated Parts List:
http://bsintek.basco.com/BriggsDocumentDisplay/BInnCFXBnfBhU7y.pdf

Here is the Operator's Manual:
http://bsintek.basco.com/BriggsDocumentDisplay/flmtxLX-nfBhU7y.pdf

The engine was made on 2 September 1998 in "Plant 56", which is actually an administrative center at Briggs HQ, not an engine plant. So far I've only seen this trick done on engines that were actually made in Plant 28, in Chongqing, which further supports AVB's information that this is a Chinese engine.

That rocker cover gasket has had the final gong and is due to be hauled off-stage by the bouncers, Peter. The attaching screws have been overtightened, which has destroyed parts of it, followed by the use of some unsuitable glue to supplement the gasket. This is trivial except that it tells you something about the previous tenant.

The carburetor is a Walbro LMS, which like most modern emissions carburetors is a bit more challenging and less forgiving than the pre-emissions Briggs carburetors, but is nevertheless a decent piece of equipment which should not be troublesome.

The technical manual (Briggs P/N 276781 Intek Single Cylinder OHV) makes no specific mention of the rocker cover that I can find. AVB is obviously familiar with the in-service information, and usual US service practice for this engine, so I accept his advice that the use of silicone RTV sealant in place of a gasket is commonplace and accepted. The RTV will peel off metal easily, and a new bead of it can be used each time you remove the gasket. I think I personally would replace the gasket rather than do this, because it is quicker and cheaper if you find yourself removing that cover fairly frequently.

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SKU 124602-0111-01
Top No Load Speed SET ENG NO-LOAD SPEED TO 3300 +/-100 RPM
Gross Horsepower* 6.50
Oil Capacity 22 fl. oz.

We actually have a Grey RTV here that sticks very well and I use a backbone razor blade to remove it. I have had some I have cut my way through that sealant while trying pry off the covers.

But in this application the gaskets are the way to go especially since you can deform that mounting plate from trying remove the cover later.

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As for on the OHV sealant vs gasket here is a copy of the
SB746 that was released in 2009.

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Thanks for posting that AVB - it's exactly what was needed to clear up this issue, and will be very useful in our archives.

Peter, I see that your rocker cover has the rib, and therefore can be used either with gasket or sealant. With regard to whether the 450 series Briggs are good, ordinary, or whatever, we just don't have enough on them in the archives to say, at this point.

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Guys thanks for all the comments. I have had to order a separate primer plate gasket as these are different to the normal Briggs and Stratton Primer Plate Gaskets. The engine still starts first pull with a quantum gasket but I�d prefer to have the right part in place for starting longevity. I must admit these are a strong engine and perform really well after a good service.

I still have an issue with the Rocker cover after I reset the valves. It is still leaking oil ever so slowly and I can�t work out why. The cover is nice and straight with no kinks. I sealed in all up nicely with RTV silicon which has always worked perfectly on the OHC Honda�s I have worked on previously.

AVB mentioned the 2 bolts under the rocker arms. I checked these and they are tight.

I let the RTV go tacky (2-3 mins) before I joint it to the engine as per the instructions but it still leaks. Both contact areas where cleaned and dried with turps, so I am a bit stuffed as to why it wont stop leaking! I have fairly good eye sight and to me the OHV cover is not bent out of shape!

Would love any suggestions!

Peter



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Is there a possibility that too much pressure is building up in the rocker cover and hence causing it to leak. I had a chonda that had blocked oil passages that was doing a similar thing. i ended up stoking the passages back towards the crankcase with some 1.5mm tie wire, spraying some carby cleaner through and blowing with compressed air and all was good.
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On my particular example i've circled the passages i'm referring to in yellow.

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I think the gasket on the right(circled yellow) that is under the part on the left (circled orange) is probably leaking. All 3 parts comes in 696268 kit. You can always save the head gasket as spare for later use.
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I'm not a big fan of rtv silicon for these applications, have had great success with Loctite 518 flange sealant. Get the surfaces nice and clean, apply a small continuous bead, tighten bolts evenly to spec, then let it cure before running the engine. If using the gasket just apply a smear to both sides.

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Guys thanks for the assistance. It�s taken me a while to get back to this mower. Been repairing a heap of mowers as the grass has been growing flat out down my way!

I ended up taking the valve springs and retainers off and removed the metal cover underneath the rocker cover (exact name for this I am not sure. See my pictures.

They pretty much confirm AVB�s assumption that the gasket was leaking.
I have ordered the kit from my local mower shop for $25 as AVB suggested. Just completed my last outdoorking order so got it from my local.

I haven�t taken the head completely off this type of engine and just wanted some tips before I do it. I am assuming its pretty standard to re-install the valves that I will have to remove the engine head. Since the head gasket is coming in a kit � should I replace it if the unit is un-damaged?

Next question relates to lapping the valves � I have only completed this process for a side valve engine and not an OHV engine. Do I need to complete this process (not the engine is running absolutely perfectly minus the rocker cover valve leak of course.
The over head valve engine�s I have worked on to date have only ever required valve adjustments and I haven�t really had to remove a head yet for repairs (it had to come eventually). So any pointers you have in this process would be greatly appreciated.
Sorry one last issue was in relation to one of the springs having a round guide underneath � note the other did not. Hoping someone more experienced could clarify.
For the benefit of others I should note this type of engine does not use a standard gasket (quantum type that most people sell) between the air filter and carby. You need the special OHV gasket to get consistent 1 pull starts.
Theo thanks for your theory, I will note it for future chonda�s however I am pretty sure it�s the gasket in this case.
Sorry long post � but I just want to make sure I get this right.
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That would be your intake valve stem seal. This has been change to a new style.
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Now this where the new head gasket is needed.

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Sorry to hijack this thread but I have just gone through this very issue with my 5.5 hp briggs intek engine and was wondering if anyone has the torque values for the bolts that hold the rocker plate on and also the torque for the rocker cover bolts

Cheers

Chris.

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The Rocker Plate (Cylinder Head Plate) > 90 in-lbs

The Rocker Cover (Valve Cover)
Diecast > 90 in-lbs
Stamped > 40 in-lbs

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Originally Posted by grumpy
The engine was made on 2 September 1998 in "Plant 56", which is actually an administrative center at Briggs HQ, not an engine plant. So far I've only seen this trick done on engines that were actually made in Plant 28, in Chongqing, which further supports AVB's information that this is a Chinese engine.

Got an interesting data point for you here, grumpy. My current everyday mower is a Masport Maxicatch 550, with a Briggs Quantum XTS50 on it. Alloy deck, extended [snorkel] air intake, multi-position handle; it's a nice machine to use.

With these numbers: Model 12F802 Type 3112-E1 Code 01052157 Which was before Chongqing came online, IIRC.

The numbers are off the cowling itself, not the muffler heatshield - that was a bit too rusty, when I picked this one up secondhand last year.


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