OutdoorKing Repair Forum Forums Repairs and Maintenance Questions on Engines Questions On Victa Two Stroke Engines universal electronic ignition module

Just wondering,

Has anyone out there ever fitted a Universal Electronic ignition module to . 125 or 160 cc points based engine ?

I would love to hear if it has been successfully done or not ?

thanks...

I have done one and seen others done as well, the best thing for the project is to find a really good solid earthing spot to mount the module and to put it on with a rivet as a bolt can rattle loose.

That being said though, the point system is easy to fix and would probably cost less than a new module.

Thanks,

I have it fitted and I have spark but alas no ignition so long story short I got out my timing light and found that it is sparking after TDC as the piston is on its way down.
I can not see that it can go together any other way though. ???

Hi MrS,
I have one on KAV 87 Kirby Tecumseh, works a treat, as used to have trouble with dust ingress on the points. Needless to say I wasn't mowing Lawns
I'd just move the coil around to adjust the static timing.

Coil can't be moved in the Vc160.

MrS,

You don't need to move the coil if you are using the correct electronic module.

Hi guys,

mmmm this motivated me from the computor to the shed..... Just tapped the flywheel for my puller and pulled the flywheel off an early VC era motor. Seems like the coil is mounted to the points plate which can be adjusted, which in turn will adjust the timing of the coil relative to the magnet in the flywheel. This is the same sort of set up as my old Kirby motors. If this is the case with yours and you had it apart maybe it went back in adjusted to the otherside of TDC....?

If yours is different could you post a photo? I was given the impression that the motor I have is an early VC type, maybe it isn't? (could have been told what I wanted to hear on that motor..)

Cheers,
John

I have posted pics in thread a few weeks back. The movement in the coil plate for timing adjustment is only minor and obviously I am looking for way more than this to make in right.

In regards to using the correct module I have tried 3 so far incl. 2 different victa ones and the one sold from your the website including trying the coil that is recommended. I have fitted the module both inside and outside the housing and there is no difference is about 30 deg after TDC.

The module is triggered by the magnets (as its only way of knowing where the piston is ) so I am stuck as to what to try next. This engine was running quite well on points but I would like to get the electronic ignition working.

Hi MrS,
I had a look at your prior post with photo, the photo is at Max retard (assuming clockwise rotation). Just out of interest how much range (degrees) difference are you getting out of max adjustment each way on your timing light, and what method did you use to determine piston TDC?
Looks like there is plenty of room to slot the plate further if required, but from reading other posts and my exp. that shouldn't be req.
I'd check the part # with Bruce in case of mis match of parts as he suggests, but some things seems a-miss to me...
I'd re-check your methodology you might have missed something. Try locating TDC by degreeing 10mm off TDC in each direction, in case TDC dwell time is throwing you out.
Hope that helps,
Cheers,
John

In either extreme coil position it does not ignite even with easy start spray, despite having good spark. So, even if my timing marks are wrong I've exhausted the adjustable parameters within the machine. Baffling...

MrS,

I would now be checking your cylinder because if you have been using easy start spray you have most probably caused damage to the cylinder.

NOTE. You should never use a spray to start a two stroke engine because it takes out the lubrication which is needed for it to run without causing damage.

MMMM,

had a thought (always dangerous)

Perhaps your mounting position is causing the soilid state switch to work when the flywheel magnet is close to that. The STD mounting position for these is flat against the alloy backing plate (on the outside), well away from the magnet, also it acts as a heat sink drawing the heat away from the module when in operation.

As Bruce says stay away from the start sprays, and it my pay to drip a couple of drops of oil in the cylinder now just to make sure it is lubed when it starts and as he suggests check the cyl you might be up for some parts if you over did the spray.

I feel moving it, providing you have the right one, will see success.

Cheers,
John

Ok,
I am not a fan of spray but desperate times... Anyhow I am sure it survived a couple of attempts and have drawn some fuel in since. I have tried the module mounted outside as mentioned it is no different. Upon speaking with a mower repairs friend who asked a Victa person directly this type of module system was tried prior to the side pull design that Victa eventually used and was never successful. The timing was always wrong due the position the coil was mounted in and it is known not to work on VC160 however apparently it can be retrofitted to points based side pulls just prior to electronic ignition..or so the story goes. He was adamant that Victa had tried this and that if you test it with a timing light you will see that it can not work. So I guess there is some comfort in knowing that I am not inept even if I had to find out the long way. Now we just need to amend the catalogues that say that a module and coil replacement will work on all old points based machines and hopefully find out if it works on any of them. Meanwhile I will put the points back and perhaps make my own coil plate that lets me rotate the static timing around to the right spot to fulfil that ridiculous itch to see it on electronic ignition.

mmm

You have done well,

I can understand your frustration and agree Re: sprays and desperate times. I also know the itch of wanting an electronic ignition as once set and correct you never have to worry about it!

I have a couple of modules and various age Victa's, I will endeavor over the course of time, to set a few up and see what results I get....30' is alot eh?

Get the points back in & Go have some fun on the Kart dude!

May i ask which exact module you were tring to fit??

The one that is advertised on this Site, also a 2 different Victa ones. One is a Jap one that has victa printed on it in ink and looks like the universal one and the other is the largish goldish (yellow zinc dichromate) one.

I don't beleive that it matters which one as the module is basically an on/off switch which is triggered by the magnets position relative to the coil plate and TDC.

Hmmm,

Does anyone out there have an Atom (blue) ignition module as these seem to work.
By pure chance my mower repairs friend showed me one on a customers mower today.

They have colour coded different modules for various applications and upon speaking with them there are good reasons why. But alas they don't make them anymore.

Perhaps some old stock out there somewhere...or else its back to re-keywaying my flywheel which is the alternative that Atom claim thier module can avoid.

i have a victa 18 special and i would like to know if i could fit any ignition or does it have to be the exact same victa 1 ignition.

Find an old bloke fixing mowers near you and see if he has a module off a sidepull Victa or a Powertorque, these work fine