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I'm a general opposer of E10, I'll try not to rant here, but between the process of farming and distilling it, the extra transport and mixing, and the increased burn rate, it does nothing for the environment.

It also gets used faster, NRMA drove 2 identical cars from Melbourne to Brisbane one on Unleaded, and one on E10, and the Unleaded one ended up costing less to run (and that was back when E10 was 10c cheaper) as the E10 needed more stops.

Removing regular just allows the fuel companies to up the price of E10 and not have to compare it to anything, which means they pay less for it, but we don't.

As for cars, mowers, or anything else petrol powered, those rated to use it still wear out faster from it, they are just made to hold out against it long enough that it does not look bad for the manufacturer, don't forget, they benefit from more seals, lines, tanks and gaskets being bought by the consumer.

Anyway, here endeth the LessonRant

probably going a bit off topic here but sounds to me E10 is like the "lets force every body green by making them use "compact fluros"...thing is you know how much manufacturing and resources go into producing that as opposed to the good old filament bulb..and considering most are cheaply made crap theses days how much more often they'll fail & waste they create etc as they break down..
LED lighting might be a better idea when it fully matures..but going cheap again we will have the same problem..you need them to last for many years without fail to benefit over all, as far as I am concerned & thats not what our worlds about as you pointed out

from what you say Mr Davis thats kinda seems the case with E10
good idea maybe (if motor system can properly use it)
but not very well thought thorough as a total replacement system

So back on topic whats the idea behind phasing unleaded 91 out? anyway I dont drive so fuel to me is sort of a non event..

this world seems full of not very well thought through green ideas

again thanks

Lol mate, funny you should bring up CFL's, you see, when it comes to the odd rant, I'm a repeat offender! (Link)

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EDIT This might be a little light at the end of the tunnel
Quote from NRMA reply
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Hi Matt

The Government has exempted marinas from the requirement so you�ll still be able to get fuel without ethanol.

Cheers

Jack
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The original statement was a marine Engine owner
that cant use E10 or Premium fuel

See here http://www.mynrmacommunity.com/motoring/2010/05/07/unleaded-to-be-phased-out-in-2011/

So maybe worth looking into
thought I guess they'll nail you price wise
(if you can afford a boat you can afford the fuel to run it would be the logic...be interesting to know & see what it hits after July 1 )

anyone near a marina want to monitor this?

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I see... yeah forgot about the mercury side of it.. and actually incandescent could be made to last a lot longer
Electronics was my bag but thats all changed these days and all this green flies in the face of consumerism and built in obsolescence
so go figure? *shrugs*
how can you be Green when the worlds very existence Financially works on producing crap that lasts 5 minutes...hard one
anyway I hear you mate

Sorry off topic I know

back to more so topic
so it seems this phase out is a GREEN move to cut pollution
again seem like another badly thought through idea

hope a news link ok
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ban-warning/story-e6frgczx-1226251748366

Even the ACCC are telling them..its a bad idea

Quote
An ACCC report released last month reiterated a concern "that there was a risk that limited supply and growing mandated consumption could lead to higher ethanol prices".
unquote

sounds about right when you great a monopoly thorough lack of choice anyway Humm

Quite
A report on the Seven Network last night claimed the government also ignored warnings from its crown solicitor that a move to force motorists to use either ethanol or premium-blend fuel could be illegal.
unquote

ooh we live in hope or our victa's do

The main issue with ethanol is that it is made from food.

So either crops being grown for fuel rather than food, or crops being grown so you get both the ethanol by-product and a glutton of food pushed onto the market that is not needed.

One also needs to question what is grown to make it from. (i think its corn and sugar mainly) Crops like rice and cotton out the back of the boonies where there is no torrential rain is hardly enviromentally responsible. Just because you can make a profit from farming it does not mean its the right thing to be farmed.


Sure it would be better to crop fuel rather than rape resources. But the ballance needs to be right. In Australia it is not. Farmers here can not make a living doing what they do as subsidised food lands on our shores. And most of it is poor quality. Subsidised food should go to the countries that can not afford to pay full price.

We should pay fair money for the mid to high grade food that is grown here and the best of the best should be sent on to the richest of the rich wherever they be.
What about the low grade food thats produce here (by accident or weather gods) animals need to eat and processed food.

End rant.

I hear you on that Bob seems some think Corn Ethanol is a new El Dorado
greed cant bet it...oh yes well actually greed & stupidity..

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EDIT seem I may have spoken a bit soon looks like its a loaded reprieve by blackmail and demanding 6% sales of E10 or else fines....So ergo they'll force it upon us voluntarily
so yeah available but few and far between & @ $$

Well kinda good news if you haven't hear Barry has dont a flip and regular unleaded will still be available

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-31/bowser-backflip3a-nsw-regular-petrol-ban-ditched/3801768

Seems the down side is they want increase sales of ethanoled fuel so some servo's may not carry it and price of it may be higher
(meaning we get screwed $$ again)

typical huh..anyway
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just some musing thoughts

Since this thread I looked a bit into it and it seems like *half the USA gardening Equipment was stuffed due to long term storage over their winter and leaving ethanol fuel in their equipment
(should have stored no fuel I suppose)
needing repairs or replacement

not an engine mechanic so cant really say much on that score
but interesting..

so wonder how green a move that was ...great for mower shops
and the economy I suppose but well not so much Id call a green success

(* figuratively speaking I dont know the exact figures but enough to warrant a few News story's on it...probably over played...still it is fact I guess)

foot note;
Seems my local Ex zoom supplier doesnt do regular without ethanol and since I make such a song and dance about it
they (whom gets the fuel) might have been getting me premium 95 of late....

its been sounding a bit sickly but it does have other issues too

Humm ...anyway

Cheers All

PS I guess the primary point of this threat is case closed now

but maybe a general fuel discussion thread
(unless I missed it, possible)
is warranted as it is the blood of mowers etc and an important one
wrong fuel or mix and your equipment can be in big trouble!

(yes I did miss Bruce's fuel thread so this is why the edit)