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MF,
a bead of roof &gutter silicone works fine even without the "O" ring, done it countless times when I am testing a pile of motors

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What about when you need to open it again? Do you have to remove all the old silicone and reapply?


Ahh, if only victa had kept producing the thumblatch catcher series, they would be in better shape today!
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Yes MF but it's not the end of the world

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Hi Norm and Mf

I can't even get the clear silicone to seal oil ,when I look up the specs it says the clear silicone resists oil but it's not oil resistant,
The black silicone works fine for me for sealing oil and the specs are it's oil resistant .Both don't mention being fuel resistant.

Silicone can .work very short term for sealing fuel but when I see clear silastic on parts that are in contact with fuel or on sumps and rocker covers it never lasts well.

When removing silicone ,I always wash the silicone in fuel and it orange peels and breaks up.

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What about when you need to open it again? Do you have to remove all the old silicone and reapply?

I don't think there would be a problem removing the silastic it should fall off in a fuel / oil environment.

A good test although a little dangerous would be to put silicone on a leaking fuel tank ,it won't take long for the tank
to be leaking again.

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I'll "adhere" to the O Ring method. Good to know silicone can work but only for emergencies for me.


Ahh, if only victa had kept producing the thumblatch catcher series, they would be in better shape today!
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I would use the o rings as they are fuel resistant. Silicon peels away over time.
I put sillicone on my other 70 series utility 160cc. When I pulled that part and cleaned it with petrol, the sillicone comes right off.
Apart from that starter Irving seal, there is only the bottom seal that is part of the bearing unless I have missed something else? It was pinched when I removed it so it could be the issue.
I don’t see how it could of run on straight fuel as the compression looks fine?

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They will have compression but the bore is damaged, I have 50 here to prove it. As for the silicone you can use it for testing purposes because I can be pretty sure you won't have an "O" ring sitting in your back pocket

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picked up an o ring. now I need to find some rubber grease.

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I had to cut the grass. I made a complete mower out of spare parts. rebuilt a carburettor, starter and decompressor. new gasket and rings. I had an old o ring but it was good enough to use. no issues, it started first go.

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I replaced the o ring n the starter as it was not in right. I go to start it and it is like it almost starts but does not start. I am thinking there is not enough compression to get it to start?

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Hi dmitr

I don't know how good your decompressor is ,I would remove it and put a spare spark plug in the decompressor hole,
then try and start the mower at least then you will feel the compression when it turns over.

Make sure the blade plate is tight to the crank but if it's not kicking back on the starter it should be good.

Just in case the carby primer isn't working ,take the spark plug out and pour a small amount of fuel
into the plug hole before starting it should run for a few seconds off that fuel if there is a carby problem.

Take one kill switch wire out off the carby when starting in case it's shorting out from movement.

If it almost starts take the plug out to check that it's not wet ,if it's flooding the wet plug stops it from starting.

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thank you. I will work on it tomorrow. the decompressor and spark plug are new. the carburettor was working as I tested it on my other mower I built out of spares when I found a good chassis on the side of the road with a briggs and Stratton on it that I throw out as it was rubbish.

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We have not seen a pic of the piston through the exhaust port, that tells the story

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it is all scored up. I really think the compression is low. maybe I should change the rings as the scored piston should not matter if the rings are new. I dont think the cast iron block would be that bad.

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You kid me aren't you, the motor is toast so don't waste anymore time on it

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enough is enough. it must of been run on straight fuel before. the whole case is toast and good for the trash. I will keep the carby decompressor cowl and chassis for another mower if I build one. like I said before, I made a new mower out of a chassis I found on the street, and my spares I had. It worked first go. This is a waste of time. also I wont be honing it as I can be bothered wasting any more time on it.

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Exactly, I have 50/60 of them here exactly like that. Keep the pull starter, coil, decomp, snorkel, maybe inlet manifold and keep an eye out for another one dumped on a nature strip. I find about 85% of the motors are ok but the body is toast

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I took the lower bearing, and bearing seal out. they dont look to leaked however they must off been the the reason the mower is not starting. 79 psi in the cylinder should be enough however the case must have a vacuum leak. I will look around on gumtree for mower parts or bulk part cheap. I really want to make a plate to block the inlet and exhaust for vacuum testing.

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cylinder.

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Nothing to do with the piston, it is the bore damage is why it won't start, nothing to do with the seals. If you hone out the bore marks and fit a new set of rings it would start . We have been doing this for a long time

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