hi Norm and Tyler,
Hyundai and Kia (basically the same company) are now well established as decent makes. I was talking about the Daewoo sourced buzz boxes being badged as Holden Barinas and a couple of other models in their lineup. Cheap cheap cars not worthy of the Holden badging.

Ahh, if only victa had kept producing the thumblatch catcher series, they would be in better shape today!