Millsy not sure what you are chasing and what you want these mowers for . For me they are way to expensive but for the average punter they may be alright to use as a mower. My problem is when I get a Powertorque it can take me up to 2 days to strip, repair the base,paint and rebuild them and get them to the working condition so I can sell them. My biggest issue is finding a good set of wheels with tread on them and getting the time to repair/weld up the bases, I think I have 10 sitting there beside the welder at the moment waiting for me to get a few moments to fix them. BB while I am not a fan of the handelbar mounting/ bolting set up it is what it is and once repaired properly it can be a reasonably good unit, not the best but if the owner just puts a spanner on the nuts occasionally they won't flop around and that is what causes most of the damage. I am thinking of actually welding the inner half round strengthener to the chassis to see if that helps solve the problem, then fish oil the area to stop any further rust. I already fish oil the inner left hand side which is where they always rust.