Norm, there wouldn't have been any need to bail out each vehicle by $7000 if the unions had allowed productivity improvements instead of demanding things like one union supervisor for every three workers, that did no work on the line, just stood around and watched so they could call a strike if the wrong person picked up someones spanner, an extra 2 weeks paid "union training leave" or some such name, can't remember exactly what they called it, and casuals couldn't be hired or fired without the union approval at times when demand went up and down as is normal in vehicle production. Go back and look how Toyota tried to negotiate a better deal and were screwed over. I wonder why they are still here at all. And when Holden got it's bailout funds from Rudd/Gillard/Rudd, that was supposed to ensure they stayed producing, the money all ended up in union pockets. And that tired old, if not for unions we would all be exploited story is rubbish. If you don't like your pay and conditions, don't work for them. There are more than enough avenues for people to pursue unfair workplaces these days without union bosses raking in big fat salaries and crying about "poor workers."