Trev, unions may contribute a bit, but without them people would be completely exploited, just look at the countries that are now doing all the manufacturing for not much more than a bowl of rice a day. The problem is that the cost of living in Aus is just too expensive driven mostly by the cost of housing, and regardless of union demands most younger people these days working for wages will never be able to buy a house. I heard this morning that every Falcon that rolled off the line over the last few years, it cost the government $7000 in bail out funding