Tiger you are right, I use air rattle gun, but I am hoping tomorrow my Milwaukee HD 18 HIW 1/2" High Torque Impact Wrench turns up, I used to borrow one the same off a mate of mine when all else failed, they will crank up to 450 ft/lb, unbelevable for a battery tool, and yes I will be using it instead of air once it arrives, just more convenient, use it anyware. just my 2c worth.