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Hi Mod prd and all other members following this thread.



You're absolutely spot on.

This is definitely a job for a Professional and not the amateurs mucking around at home in sheds. How many more deaths do we have to endure through the electronic media as a result of handy people blowing themselves up and causing domestic explosions.

I to feel that we should not be discussing welding of fuel tanks here on this platform.

As we always promote here on ODK, "If in doubt throw it out", it's just not worth the high risk involved.


Cheers,
BB.


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BB Said:........................ "I to feel that we should not be discussing welding of fuel tanks here on this platform".


I have to disagree with this sentiment. If someone is considering welding a tank then they should be able to come to a forum such as this and see the pro's and cons of attempting it. They should be able to read the discussion on its safety , how dangerous it might be, the legal ramifications and so on. They should be able to make up their own minds, using the information gained in places such as this and other places, to make their decision. Anything else is a form of censorship. There's enough of that nanny state stuff already.

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Hi Sparker,

Sorry but we at ODK have a duty of care to follow, thus it's best to stop it before an uncontrollable situation starts.

This is why we have Moderators, because if we didn't all hell would break loose and we don't want that.

What you guys do in your sheds is your business but we can't be seen to encourage / promote any risky practices which would reflect badly upon us.

Just as an example, We've just recently had a situation where a whole company here in South Australia was burnt to the ground and the loss of hundreds of jobs because of a bad welding situation. Just imagine had we given any advise on that issue prior to it happening. No thanks.

You can call it a Nanny State if you like but unfortunately litigation is rife in today's society and using the terminology of "a Nanny State" just doesn't cut it as a defence in a court of law anymore. So we must defend ourselves from it to begin with.

Hopefully this clears this matter up.


Cheers,
BB.


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Respectfully disagree. enough said.

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Yep, the days of cracker night are over, even in N.T. There has got to be something said for personal responsibility though. We are becoming a society of scapegoat seekers. Search for anyone to blame down the chain of events leading up to the incident. The 1963 epic It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World is coming to fruition and we unfortunately have to abide by the current reality for our own interest. Very suffocating to everyday life though.


Ahh, if only victa had kept producing the thumblatch catcher series, they would be in better shape today!
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As Mod BB said we do discourage the average civilian from doing these type of repairs. Those that I've learned are the proper safe way of these repairs that I can do, but there are a lot of precautions that must be adhered to. Even the professionals can make mistakes. It is best when in doubt don't do it and just replace instead.

I have seen mechanics smoking around open flammable liquids. This something I highly discourage which is why if a smokers approaches my shop I stop them until they put their ciggies out as there is a high chance that I am working with flammable fumes within my shop even though it's a well ventilated area.

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I promise I will never discuss fuel tank repairs here ever again

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Hey Norm now you seen how an explosive subject this can be. As one said it is a sue happy world today. They also use the threat of suing as a weapon too.

I had a guy several years trying to sue me because his already broke starter finished failing while in the shop even though I informed him it needed replacing before he left the mower for repairs and he declined. He also claimed I didn't install OEM belts even he was the one that provided the belts. I finally had to have the local sheriff department go by his home and inform him that if he didn't stop the harassing phone calls cussing especially cussing my mother out I was the one that would legal action.

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Hi AVB,

Thank you for your understanding regarding this matter.

To all our valued members, I'm personally not against it at all, it's just the pitfalls that we as a public domain could ultimately leave ourselves open and fall in to, thus I'd hate to see this wonderful medium go under due to sheer negligence on ones behalf.


Cheers,
BB.


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I understand, but it's ridiculous. Sooner or later, you're still gonna die! Look up the song of the same title. It's hilarious but so true!


Ahh, if only victa had kept producing the thumblatch catcher series, they would be in better shape today!
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What you guys do in your sheds is your business but we can't be seen to encourage / promote any risky practices which would reflect badly upon us. What you guys do in your sheds is your business but we can't be seen to encourage / promote any risky practices which would reflect badly upon us
G'day all ODK repairers and advisers.

Great thanks to Mod BB for identifying the principles here.
Many thanks for the genuine and intelligent replies too.

The modern world is litigious and we can't avoid this here at ODK.
We all know the ridiculous situations and over-reactions that might arise today.
This is a crazy,confused World.

However, I support the idea of 'best practice' as it is viewed by manufacturers.
We cannot endorse any repair a manufacturer would not when safety becomes an issue.
'Common sense' has become such an old-fashioned term.

With vintage machinery, some advise must be cautionary.
We need to spell out basic cautions that we otherwise would implicitly understand.

I ask the highly competent repairers who are members of these great forums to
consider the lowest common denominators of society who might misconstrue your
advise. Hence: the Darwin Awards scenario.

ODK exists on the generosity of members helping other members.
Please do not stop doing that; but please consider Darwin's children.

Thanks for understanding.
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Jack

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Heaven forbid the following to occur.


Ahh, if only victa had kept producing the thumblatch catcher series, they would be in better shape today!
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Mowerfreak, Gas thieves are that stupid here too as that's how they caught one locally here. After he got out of the horsepital they arrested him. He said he lit a match to see if he had the hose in the tank.

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