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thanks for any input


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nope . one is electronic the other is points . blue ones an 80 series you can see the coil there . the other vc if its orig' is under the flywheel .

why whats the problem ?

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cheers mate. this had great spark before i cleaned it up and no spark pulled it apart and found this [Linked Image]
I may have dislodged something when removing the flywheel
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points arent really much but you should have a parts engine by now ? swap them over and allgood , cant see how you could have got that far in to do damage though but hmmmmmmm seen some wonderful things sometimes !!

have a go at that . i never changed one too electronic except for the aftermarket type

just noticed the vc in your first pic' , see the pool in starter cup ? its why you dont leave water in them or out in weather for long mate , might be sealed but it seeps in slowly , just enough too do as your finding out now

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just had a look and found this [Linked Image]
is this the same flavor?
And yes i am finding things out the hard way.
all the help is appreciated mate
sean


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looks like the same taste yup , but ya never know whats in there sometimes , but be sure to give them a good cleanup 1st . points file or 400 wet n dry maake sure no dirt oil or anything on them . done oncew done right , remember now ?

same problem so be careful . water in its bowl again , they might look it but they never thirsty . TIP , if you havto leave them outside , lay on the side or cover at least the top but with 4strokes store with spark plug up

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is this the correct procedure.
take out sparkplug, put piston to the bottom of stroke, jam heaps of rope in there, use a breaker bar to crack the nut, jam 2 wedges between the flywheel and the plate under it, liberal wd, screw nut on till bolt doent pretrude, give the wedges a tap then the nut a bit of a whack, i keep doing this untill they come off.
is this the right way
thanks
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I put the coil from a B&S Sprint 375 onto my old tip find Gilson rotary hoe 5HP that had a points system. The mounting holes were the only physical difference but a few minutes in the mill with a carbide fishtail CNC engraving bit and I had the holes reshaped to fit the 5HP and away she went like a champion.

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as long as nothing breaks its whatever works for you , my way is different but sort of same , or use a puller ? just be careful where you wedge as the plate is thin in places .

i just use a thick screwdriver and a firm tap with a plastic/hard rubber hammer so as not to bend or damage the threads . deadblow hammer . but yours is rusty so soak it a little in wd or the like a tad first just take off the nut and spray it , then when removing put the nut back on as you said , flush with top of thread

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first coil replacement complete, but as i do not have feeler guages. is the gap for the points 0.0685? what would be a substitute measuring tool.
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A hacksaw blade is an old fallback for points, the back edge, not the toothy edge :-) That 0.0685 seems a little too specific to be right to me.

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If it went from great spark to no spark, just from being dismantled, it isn't that likely the coil was the problem.
Which carby does it have? If it's the all plastic G4, the stop switch in it is a more likely culprit.

But anyway, set the points and give it a go. Make sure the end of the square flywheel key is fully seated in the notch in the top of the points cam, before replacing the flywheel - this locks the cam timing in position.

Those points pictured above are fitted with an original plastic dust shield ring around the contacts, which has to be removed to set the gap. Up to you if you replace it afterwards - most wouldn't bother, as it doesn't seem to do much.

Originally Posted by seanw
first coil replacement complete, but as i do not have feeler guages. is the gap for the points 0.0685? what would be a substitute measuring tool.
sean

No, the correct points gap for all 'coil under flywheel' 2-stroke Victas is 0.50mm/0.020".
And spark plug gap is 0.635mm/0.025"for all Victa 2-strokes.

Only the very late model points ignition/external coil models use 0.685mm/0.027" points gap. Setting the gap too wide will advance the spark timing, and may cause hard starting or kickbacks.

I just went out and put the micrometer over a few hacksaw blades - thickness varied a fair bit, and they were all over 0.020" size. So not that good a fallback, these days.

Most business cards run about 0.015-0.018", so that gets you in the ballpark, if the contacts are adjusted to a fairly loose grip on the card. The contacts must be dressed smooth first, to use this method.

You really do need a feeler gauge set for this sort of work - even Bunnings will sell you a decent 32 blade Kincrome one for about $12!

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