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Well, carby is rebuilt with new gaskets and main jet o-ring, and new muffler fitted, but she still won't run properly.

Sounds almost like backfiring out the intake, is there any way to adjust the timing on these engines?

Muffler gets warm, but doesn't sound quite right, and won't run for more than a second or so

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Hi Aussie,
Timing is fixed so problem is still in the carby. If it will fire for a second it tells me it hasn't been straight fueled so carby is the issue

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I don't think it's been straight fuelled - with a spark plug in place of the decompressor it's definitely got compression.

Got me a bit boxed then...



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Hi Aussie
compression does not indicate it hasn't been straight fueled, a look in through the exhaust port and if any scoring on the piston is a dead giveaway. If not it is a carby problem. Another way to test for carby problem is to put a puff of starter fluid down the plug hole and if it fires for a second that proves carby

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Thanks Norm,

From what I can see in the exhaust port, piston looks good.

Might be time for a whiff of starter fluid, don't like the stuff but it's worth a shot



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Aussie, if it fires on starter fluid then guaranteed carby is the issue

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Ok, so have tried some starter fluid, she seems to try and fire on this, but sounds like a bit of backfiring out the intake.

Seems it's time to do some more digging in the carb.



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I should add, there's a definite 'bang' , usually I think from the muffler but occasionally from the intake.
Also,. after quite a length of time trying to start, the muffler is hot to touch, but also the intake hose is warm which I wouldn't have expected.

It's not possible for this electronic ignition setup to be incompatible with the coil or something is it?

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Hi AussieHJ,

I just use a spray bottle with 2 stoke mix but starter fluid works well when sprayed into the air filter housing with the air
filter element removed , some times 2 strokes won't run properly without the snorkel and filter housing installed .

I've had a 2 stroke backfire when the spark is weak ,usually a bad spark plug or coil.

It might be worth filing the points and putting them back in so you can set the timing if the coil plate is adjustable some
have adjustment and some don't ,then once the motor is running fit the module.

Might be easier to remove the starter and put a socket extension in a drill then use the drill with a socket to start the mower.

It can only be one of 3 things stopping it running if you have 2 of the 3 right ,1 spark problem ,2 fuel problem ,3 mechanical problem.

If the crankcase seals are leaking it will be hard to start.

Cheers
Max.

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Hi Max,
What I seem to find is if I put starter fluid through the carby and I get nothing and then if I put fluid down the plug hole and it fires then I am pretty sure it is a crank seal

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Hi Norm,

Yes there are a few ways to check for leaks without doing a Vac or pressure test and I'm sure you've done these tests below.

You get different results depending on how bad the seals are leaking ,sometimes I just put about 10 squirts of oil into the
spark plug hole then put the plug back in ,then turn the motor over a few times ,after you let the mower sit for
a couple days you can see oil running down the crankshaft.

If you know the carby is good but the motor is running too fast you know there has to be air leaking into the
motor also when a motor runs and you turn the fuel tap off and the motor revs up before cutting out.

Sliding a 1 to 2 thou feeler gauge between the crank and the seal will be a loose fit when the seals are worn and hardened from age.

You can start a 2 stroke then spray starter fluid at the seal and if the revs change the seal is leaking.

I've had a few 2 strokes that will only rev out if you almost completely crush the snorkel tube when running ,must
be giving the engine more fuel to compensate for the extra air leaking into the engine.

Automotive seals generally stay soft for about 10 years,so as we know the seals are fairly suspect on old mowers etc.

Cheers
max.

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Good afternoon all, life got in the way and got back to this last weekend.

I purchased a known good second hand coil, points, condenser and fitted these, and an all-metal G3 carby that was also known good and cleaned/seals replaced.

Second pull she fired and 3rd pull she started.

150 square metres of mowing later, I think we can safely say she's running!

Reel and bottom blade could obviously use a grind, I think the drive clutch cable needs replacement and the cut isn't 'square' but surprisingly good for a machine I don't expect has mown for the best part of 10 years!

My lawn has been neglected too over the last 6 months and isn't the best canvas to work with...

I don't suppose anyone knows who would do a reel sharpen/grind in the Wagga area?

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Very good well done looks good

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