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Hi Max,
Interesting reading there about China, but my beef with China is it is an abusive dictatorship, that uses pretty much slave labour and has huge human rights abuses and anybody that complains just vanishes. Western democracies should not deal with these maggots. I just hope Trumpy wakes up one morning angry and declares all imports from China are suspended instantly and all ships at sea turned around and return to China. Only ones it is going to hurt is all the businesses making big money importing stuff from China and as far as I am concerned couldn't happen to a nicer pack of b#$%^&*s
There is also the bigger issue that many of the products that are being dumped around the world are not made in China but are actually made in North Korea using slave labour and this is keeping the North Korean economy going which proves that the UN sanctions are a joke and another reason Trumpy wants to cut funding to that useless organization as well
" We are all in this together", NO we are not, Free Trade with a communist dictatorship is not free trade. What a feeling it would be to see a mower built in Australia again, because I know we have the ability but does Australia have the guts.
OK rant over

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Hi Norm,
Yes I agree with what you say about China .What have they done for us lately , over 374,000 deaths
so far.

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Hi All

I took the 30/1 out and put 25/1 back in, started on pull 4 and almost no smoke. What is the problem with the carby's ? are they the same as the original Suzukies ?
The carby is a basic bog standard one on the chuzuki and I can't really see how it could go wrong ?
Ill stick a new set of blades on it and give it to my neighbor to use as he asked me to keep an eye out for an occasional use mower and Ill be able to keep an eye on it and see how it performs.

Just on the resources issue, I don't know who negotiates the price of our mineral wealth with our customers but if it is being sold for peanuts how is it that there is incredible wealth to be had from the ground level up ?

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The one thing I like about Trumpy is his trade protectionism - keep jobs in America. Hasn't done a very good job yet though.

Too many people are in their pockets now to enable meaningful change. Imagine the backlash at these prices now compared to 1980 (based on RBA conversion data):
1980 Victa Commodore High arch 160 - $1100 equivalent now
Breville 2 slice toastie (jaffle) maker - $88 now
Breville kitchen wizz (multi blender thing) - $750 now

But I can guarantee all of those would probably still be working

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wce,

Apparently there are many, many fine orifices and passageways in the carb that block easily. All the reading I've done indicates that if you've cleaned it, clean it again. Then again. Nothing actually "wrong" with it, just perhaps a bit too "high tech" for such an agricultural application?

Tyler, no way would people stomach those prices now. It's a shame, might help cure the disposable society we've chosen for ourselves.


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In the seventies and eighties I really had to justify to myself if I had enough work or need to buy a tool then think about it before I bought it, now if you need a tool for just one use you just go out and buy it. We all know how much a Victa toecutter was in the fifties/sixties about 54 pounds and wages were about 5 pounds a week. First and last thing my mother ever bought on hire purchase

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Hi all

Mystyler
The carby on mine has one hole up the centre and one screw in brass jet on the side, nothing more that I can see.

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wce

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Hey wce,

Check out the thread that max posted about the carb. That happened to be the one I read a while back. Unfortunately that is the end of my technical knowledge of the carb - purely theoretical. Even more unfortunate was the fact I missed out on a good looking example on Gumtree of a Suzuki powered Rover because Gumtree somehow decided I wasn't interested in notifications anymore. mad

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Hi All

Got back on the horse this afternoon, the Ironhorse that is. although the choke butterfly looks like it is closed in that throttle setting there was 2 - 3 mm play when you manually moved the shaft linkage. Very important to lube all the moving parts with the throttle assembly then adjust the cable so as the choke butterfly is securely closed, bad angle that the cable is set at and not sure if the genuine Suzuki's are the same ? Last two cold starts have been 4 and 5 pulls, runs great with not too much smoke using 25 to 1. There is also a mixture ? screw on the top right side but when everything is assembled is near impossible to get a screwdriver on the head of it, especially if the engine is running so I presume it is something was intended not to be touched. I did remove it to have a look and for the record it is a tapered screw that is 2 and a quarter turns out from it's seated position.

What in your opinion constitutes an engine that is hard to start ? is 5 - 6 pulls on the starter too many ? with the 4 strokes I think any more than 2 is an issue.

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Hi wce

My rule is Ecstatic with 1st pull, happy with second, passable with 3 or 4, displeased at 5 to 6, annoyed at 7, ripping things apart after 8

2 stokes sitting for less than 2 months I expect max 2-3 pulls. My old Victa vantage took 5, but it was sitting in the shed for 6+ months

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I hate it if they won't start first pull, second pull is ok third pull I'm getting upset

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I think along similar lines. First pull is almost expected, second pull I'm OK, third I'm disappointed.

Out of all my larger small engines the only one that consistently starts on the third or so pull has been my Briggs 725 EXi. It used to start on the first pull, then second, and now the third. Hasn't even been in service twelve months! Honda GX100, first pull. Powertorque, first pull, full crank, first pull (we'll see about that after the rebuild laugh ). Even my freaking Pope is starting on the first or second pull!

All my Stihl equipment seems to start second or third pull, but always has.

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Seven pulls today, and off I went in a cloud of four stroke smoke!

Bloody thing.


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Mystyler,
what 4 stroke are you talking about now?

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I would guess Honda - in my experience as you talk about how easy they are to start they have other ideas

Spiteful things sometimes

If you mean the briggs - I am not surprised

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100% the Briggs.

I cannot fathom how oil keeps finding its way into the cylinder. I lift the rear wheels up just a couple of cm to take it out of the storeroom, and to put it back in. That's the most extreme attitude it has ever encountered.


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That is enough if the rings are worn and you dump the oil up against the back of the piston

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Could very well do it Mystyler - one of my Quantums smokes if you lift the rear wheels more than 4 cm if the oil is so much as 1mm over full

What weight oil is in there?

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Unreal. It solidifies my belief that two stroke or electric are the way to go for mowers - the engine has done one mowing season! It's slightly under filled with SAE30.

Sorry for the unintentional hijack, wce.


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Mystyler - I believe 4 strokes have their place; they are quieter and are just powerful enough for the regular lawn and the average idiot who can only say 'I don't want to have to mix oil'. But with plain bearings, alloy bore, they are not a long term proposition.

Its just new briggs aren't good 4 strokes in my opinion.

Only new engine I would buy is a gxv honda, although these alko loncin 160's look good - cast iron liner and all. Although I hate autochokes


Back to the chuzuki - whats the black pipe on the carby - PCV or carby overflow?

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