Well I went to a garage sale of an older gents house who had been put in a home and he had some good old stuff, this was on Sat I and seen a couple of mowers, I kept brousing around and ended up taking some good stuff home but no mowers, I did get an old 4 stroke Villiers engine without a sump unfortunatly but has a nice brass flywheel, so at home I got thinking I would pop around later on Sunday and see if they were still there, they were and I ended up loading them up and taking them home, I put a bit of fuel in them and both started first pull and run well, the VC160 has a real good catcher and an intact fuel cap/gauge Also got a rear shoot that does not look like it fits either of the mowers but someone might be able to tell me what it is off